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This whole monstruousity was originally conveived February through March 2001 by the members of The Big Note - a Frank Zappa YahooGroup. After an arduous gestation period, this site was birthed on April 11 2001. True to the essence of collaborative effort, these people are held responsible.
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The On-Going Thing Fish Debate
Yes. She seems youthful; vigorous...with the kind of fresh Zappa outlook that many of us may have lost...although I like to think I've kept some of it, not even having all the albums yet.
What!!?? You don't have ALL the albums??? SECURITY!!!!
Well, only stuff like Francesco Zappa (not even Frank's music), a couple of YCDTOSA's (any prior reluctance stemming from actually having most songs already) and a couple of albums that everybody - I mean EVERYBODY - seems to HATE (Man From Utopia, Thing Fish) with the possible exception of Ben Watson. Hee-hee!
Hi, I'm nobody and I like both of those albums, especially Thing-Fish...
I agree on Thing Fish...
A belated reply on this one. I certainly don't hate those albums, but neither are they my favorites. However, like all Zappa produced albums they are, ultimately, essential. If there's one thing I've learned from many years of listening to FZ, it's that music that you don't like now may be among your favorites at some time down the road.
Then the record produced what the composer intended...
Them or Us is GREAT!! And, it's true: the more you listen to some works, the more they grow on you. It's possible to discover new things every time you listen.
I just have to say here, that I really enjoy THING-FISH when I listen to it, which is not all that often when compared to other Zappa albums. I also agree with the fact that the speech is far more important than the muzak. However, the story, while it does not really have a conclusion, is deeply layered and there are so many little in-jokes and obscure references to what has come before in the story that every time you listen, something new pops up. I love the characters of Harry & Rhonda and what happens to them! It's so absurd and extreme and Ike Willis cracks me up every time I listen... Tremenjious, Harry as a Boy, simply tremenjious!
As far as Thing Fish goes, I think it is funny in parts, but lacks the great musical moments that I listen to Zappa for... It's probably the only album of Frank's I would list under my "don't like" column. I just get bored with it I guess.
Stinkfoot makes an interesting observation, with "lacks the great musical moments" that he looks for in Zappa. Thing Fish was not written to be a Zappa "music" album. It was a treatment - more a screenplay, than an album... Believe me, the story for Thing Fish existed before the music was chosen - not the other way around, which was Frank's norm. Thing Fish is not a collection of tunes assembled in such a way as to create a greater whole, like Joe's Garage or Tinseltown Rebellion.
A good point there SOFA, strongly supported by the fact that the music on Thing Fish is mixed significantly lower in relation to the speaking parts. This would seem to indicate it was very much FZ's intent to place the emphasis on the story.
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